Hurricane Sandy Aftermath Discussion, NEW! NHC Changes Advisories for 2013 Options

[so_whats_happeni...]

There is some pretty incredible damage pictures coming out of the affected regions. I hope that we can only better ourselves for future storms. Unfortunately I do not believe this will be the only storm we experience. The pattern Sandy had was one of a kind and probably won't happen for awhile, but we still have to watch the normal progressions of the hurricane seasons as we are still under threat for atleast another hurricane to make landfall on the east coast. I sure hope these areas prepare themselves and their way of life is restored.

[Mike W IN herkim...]

[WeatherMatrix]

Breaking news: Dr. Chris Landsea stopped by AccuWeather HQ this morning for a presentation on the changes to the NHC Advisories for the 2013 season. They WILL be issuing Hurricane & Tropical Storm Warnings for post-tropical cyclones (which they did not do during Sandy).

[grandpaboy]

Breaking news: Dr. Chris Landsea stopped by AccuWeather HQ this morning for a presentation on the changes to the NHC Advisories for the 2013 season. They WILL be issuing Hurricane & Tropical Storm Warnings for post-tropical cyclones (which they did not do during Sandy).

Good job NHC......

[NYCSuburbs]

Breaking news: Dr. Chris Landsea stopped by AccuWeather HQ this morning for a presentation on the changes to the NHC Advisories for the 2013 season. They WILL be issuing Hurricane & Tropical Storm Warnings for post-tropical cyclones (which they did not do during Sandy).

Good call... after the confusion with Sandy and having misconceptions that no hurricane warnings means there will just be a typical rain/wind storm, hopefully this will help the next time we get a post-tropical cyclone aiming at the US.

[UMFKgrad02]

Breaking news: Dr. Chris Landsea stopped by AccuWeather HQ this morning for a presentation on the changes to the NHC Advisories for the 2013 season. They WILL be issuing Hurricane & Tropical Storm Warnings for post-tropical cyclones (which they did not do during Sandy).

Way back as the storm approached I was one of the very few who were b**ching about the NHC not extending hurricane/tropical storm watches/warnings up through the northeast, and all I got for responses were the typical know-it-all uber-technical garbage from weather weenies about how "oooh, technically its extra tropical" and all kinds of other *bleep* about the dynamics of the storm, blah blah blah. And all the while they ignored my point which was, the heck with the "official protocol" and send out the warnings...but again all those same folks just kept getting hung up on the weather weenie stuff, which by the way the none folks in the path of the storm really give a *bleep* about. So seeing that the NHC made this change is nothing short of fantastic, and it shows that first and foremost the entire point of forecasting is to disseminate appropriate information to those who need it, and not a single ounce of the technical *bleep* (which unfortunately many people on this forum seem to get way too consumed with) matters if that information be communicated appropriately.

Well done, NHC!

This post has been edited by UMFKgrad02: Dec 6 2012, 10:50 AM

[grandpaboy]

Way back as the storm approached I was one of the very few who were b**ching about the NHC not extending hurricane/tropical storm watches/warnings up through the northeast, and all I got for responses were the typical know-it-all uber-technical garbage from weather weenies about how "oooh, technically its extra tropical" and all kinds of other *bleep* about the dynamics of the storm, blah blah blah. And all the while they ignored my point which was, the heck with the "official protocol" and send out the warnings...but again all those same folks just kept getting hung up on the weather weenie stuff, which by the way the none folks in the path of the storm really give a *bleep* about. So seeing that the NHC made this change is nothing short of fantastic, and it shows that first and foremost the entire point of forecasting is to disseminate appropriate information to those who need it, and not a single ounce of the technical *bleep* (which unfortunately many people on this forum seem to get way too consumed with) matters if that information be communicated appropriately.

Well done, NHC!

In defense of NHC, and im giving very little defense here, Sandy was an anomaly not seen by many meteorologists in the field and can understand not sure where to go with this storm, which obliviously they should have went with the hurricane watches and warnings with the information they had(warm core, eye with winds increasing at the center etc.....

rules are meant to be broken.........and Sandy did just that..........

[LUCC]

In defense of NHC, and im giving very little defense here, Sandy was an anomaly not seen by many meteorologists in the field and can understand not sure where to go with this storm, which obliviously they should have went with the hurricane watches and warnings with the information they had(warm core, eye with winds increasing at the center etc.....

rules are meant to be broken.........and Sandy did just that..........

Still waiting on backlash to Mayor Bloomberg for stating the storm was no big deal.

[grandpaboy]

Still waiting on backlash to Mayor Bloomberg for stating the storm was no big deal.

Bloomberg can do nothing wrong, remember............

[NorEaster07]

9 weeks later they are still cleaning up on the roads. This is the Merrit Parkway in SWCT. They didnt cut those trees. They fell in the woods. Looks like they have a 4 step process. Cut trees clean to fall to ground for those leaning on another.. Haul all trees and branches to the curb. Chip away. Clean and dress. Whats sad is this is just a small part of a long stretch of seeing trees lined up along the shoulder.

[LUCC]

Crews just got around to clearing trees/brush from my neighborhood today!

[Burr@Work]

This was a video I took in central NJ on the Thursday after Sandy... this was a typical scenario pretty much any place where a road with power lines passed through an open field / farm. There's a good reason power was out for so long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZ8abb_TTQ

[NorEaster07]

http://www.facebook.com/News12Chopper12

"This is what Long Beach looks like today. Tractors creating dunes on the beach."

[LUCC]

This was a video I took in central NJ on the Thursday after Sandy... this was a typical scenario pretty much any place where a road with power lines passed through an open field / farm. There's a good reason power was out for so long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZ8abb_TTQ

Looks like that is right near exit 8 in Cranbury, no? Crazy how all those poles just snapped in half.

[Burr@Work]

Looks like that is right near exit 8 in Cranbury, no? Crazy how all those poles just snapped in half.

Yep. Just north of Cranbury coming south from the Park-and-Ride near Exit 8A.

Very appreciative of all the out-of-state utility crews who came to our assistance. Cheers to them - happy holidays!

This post has been edited by Burr@Work: Dec 21 2012, 12:52 AM

[tdp146]

http://54.243.149.253/home/webmap/viewer.h...db8e92e3239837e Hurricane sandy surge mapper done by USGS. Very cool and very detailed look at the surge across the entire area. USGS actually puts out dozens of tide sensors in key areas before the storm hit and has now recovered the data along with doing dozens and dozens more measurements of water marks to confirm flood elevation above navd88. The highest surge Value I found was in long beach long island. It was a tide sensor on the ocean which probably picked up a peak wave height but the data still shows plenty of surge values over 10 feet in the area. very interesting data to look at.

[Burr@Work]

http://54.243.149.253/home/webmap/viewer.h...db8e92e3239837e Hurricane sandy surge mapper done by USGS. Very cool and very detailed look at the surge across the entire area. USGS actually puts out dozens of tide sensors in key areas before the storm hit and has now recovered the data along with doing dozens and dozens more measurements of water marks to confirm flood elevation above navd88. The highest surge Value I found was in long beach long island. It was a tide sensor on the ocean which probably picked up a peak wave height but the data still shows plenty of surge values over 10 feet in the area. very interesting data to look at.

That is very cool - thanks for sharing. A sensor on the Raritan Bay in Staten Island showed a peak tide at 16-feet. A sensor near the GW Bridge near where the Harlem River meets the Hudson showed 9.5.

[NorEaster07]

I was wondering why all the pines around here have copper colored needles. Wow. What ashame.

Video with link. One guy in video said they came back after Gloria but that was just 1 Tropical hit. I wonder if back to back really got them bad now.

"Tree experts say scores of white pines along Connecticut's shoreline could be dead by the end of the year because of damage caused by Tropical Storm Irene in 2011 and Superstorm Sandy last October.

Experts told the Connecticut Post that salt water spray from the storms damaged thousands of white pines along the shore and even miles inland from Greenwich to Stonington. Many trees' needles have turned to a coppery brown.

Sharon Douglas is head of the plant disease office at the Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station. She says salt-solutions spread on roads during storms also are damaging white pine roots. White pines don't tolerate salt that well.

Experts say while many white pines will recover, many will not because of other problems including fungal infections in recent years."

http://www.wfsb.com/story/21794498/strong-...hite-pine-trees