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NYCSuburbs
post Dec 1 2012, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE(NorEaster07 @ Dec 1 2012, 12:15 PM) *
November temp departures for the U.S. 2012 left. 2011 Right. (take note of the legend change)

[attachment=177546:temps159.jpg]

Literally the polar opposite from last year... flip the Nov 2011 map horizontally, the flipped Nov 2011 and this November actually aren't a bad match laugh.gif


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Past winter totals for Albany (Avg ~60"):

11-12: 23.3", 12-13: 51.4"

Past winter totals for NE NJ (Avg ~30"):
06-07: 14.7", 07-08: 17.0", 08-09: 34.5",
09-10: 58.7", 10-11: 68.5"
, 11-12 disaster: 12.5 inches
12-13: 36.6"
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NorEaster07
post Dec 4 2012, 08:19 PM
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This pretty much sums up the last 5 weeks here.

These are images I took in the last few weeks alone.

Attached File  CT.jpg ( 244.07K ) Number of downloads: 1


October 29 - Hurricane Sandy
November 6 - Wind Chill Value in the teens
November 7 - Winter Nor'Easter with record snowstorm
November 23 - Intense Fog
November 27 - Light Snow
December 1 - Ice Advisories
December 2 - Intense Fog
December 3 - Very Warm Temps into the upper 50s, Mowing Lawn


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Snow Totals Per Season:

2007-08: 21"
2008-09: 41"
2009-10: 39.5"
2010-11: 71.5"
2011-12: 14"
2012-13: 46.5"

Average(since 1950) = 27.75"
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NorEaster07
post Dec 4 2012, 09:04 PM
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NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ
1058 AM EST MON DEC 3 2012

...SIXTH COLDEST NOVEMBER ON RECORD AT TRENTON...

NOVEMBER, 2012 TIED NOVEMBER, 1986 FOR THE SIXTH COLDEST NOVEMBER ON
RECORD WITH AN AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF 41.5 DEGREES. THE COLDEST ON
RECORD OCCURRED IN 1995, WHEN THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE WAS 40.0
DEGREES.

RECORDS DATE BACK TO 1893.

$$

THE ELEVEN COLDEST NOVEMBERS ON RECORD AT TRENTON DATING BACK TO 1893:

RANK TEMPERATURE YEAR
(DEGREES F)

1 40.0 1995
2 40.2 1996
3 40.6 1917
4 40.9 1976
5 41.3 1936
6 41.5 1986
6 41.5 2012
8 41.6 1933
9 42.0 1901
9 42.0 1951
9 42.0 1984



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Snow Totals Per Season:

2007-08: 21"
2008-09: 41"
2009-10: 39.5"
2010-11: 71.5"
2011-12: 14"
2012-13: 46.5"

Average(since 1950) = 27.75"
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SnowMan11
post Dec 4 2012, 11:56 PM
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0z GFS big time -west based NAO

http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/gfs/00zgfswestnao.gif


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grace
post Dec 5 2012, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(SnowMan11 @ Dec 4 2012, 10:56 PM) *


That's sweet but I can't really pay attention to it with all the flipping in teleconnection forecast.

But in reality a strong storm like 0z was showing could be responsible for that.
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post Dec 5 2012, 12:52 AM
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QUOTE(SnowMan11 @ Dec 4 2012, 11:56 PM) *

Very much so indeed.

Persistent cold air gets put in place by 12/12. Stay tuned to see if it holds true.


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2012-2013 Total Snowfall: 85.5"
2012-2013 Winter Wx predictions:
Total Snowfall (Nov. 1 -- Mar. 31): 39.5"
50+ Degree Days since Dec. 1: 10


Winter Wx. Events:
11/7-11/9: 7"
11/27-11/29: T
11/30: T (flurries)
12/22: T (lake-effect)
12/24: 1" (clipper)
12/27: 5" (turned to slop)
12/29-12/30: 10" (resulted in 2 week snowpack)
1/16: 4"
1/21:T (norlun)
1/25-1/26: T
1/28: 2"
2/1-2/3:T
2/5: T
2013 North American Blizzard: 32" (all-time record)
2/13: T
2/16: 2"
Various T events up to 3/2: .5"
3/6-3/8: 17"
3/18-3/19: 4.5"

10/29/11, 10/29/12, and 2/8-9/13: Never forget
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post Dec 6 2012, 09:51 PM
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November numbers are out...

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This is scary. Entire country below normal precip. Northeast almost record driest. (some divisional locations were like Hartford,CT)

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Snow Totals Per Season:

2007-08: 21"
2008-09: 41"
2009-10: 39.5"
2010-11: 71.5"
2011-12: 14"
2012-13: 46.5"

Average(since 1950) = 27.75"
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post Dec 10 2012, 01:37 AM
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While I'm not particularly biased in either direction in the whole climate change debate, I have an issue with the latest article by Jeff Masters on November. The short article states November was a very warm month and is set to make 2012 the warmest year on record. I don't dispute the latter point, and for the western US it was a warm month, but other than barely noting North Carolina had a top cold 10 November, he makes absolutely no mention of the colder than average conditions in the East which were a significant anomaly relative to previous Novembers over the last decade; neither does he mention that November was the first month to feature widespread colder than average temperatures in the East since early 2011, breaking an unprecedented stretch of consecutive warmer than average months. Although the eastern cooler than average temperatures was nothing historic, it would have been fair to mention the cold departures in the East as well in addition to the warmth in the central-western US.

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Past winter totals for Albany (Avg ~60"):

11-12: 23.3", 12-13: 51.4"

Past winter totals for NE NJ (Avg ~30"):
06-07: 14.7", 07-08: 17.0", 08-09: 34.5",
09-10: 58.7", 10-11: 68.5"
, 11-12 disaster: 12.5 inches
12-13: 36.6"
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post Dec 10 2012, 02:23 AM
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QUOTE(NYCSuburbs @ Dec 10 2012, 12:37 AM) *
While I'm not particularly biased in either direction in the whole climate change debate, I have an issue with the latest article by Jeff Masters on November. The short article states November was a very warm month and is set to make 2012 the warmest year on record. I don't dispute the latter point, and for the western US it was a warm month, but other than barely noting North Carolina had a top cold 10 November, he makes absolutely no mention of the colder than average conditions in the East which were a significant anomaly relative to previous Novembers over the last decade; neither does he mention that November was the first month to feature widespread colder than average temperatures in the East since early 2011, breaking an unprecedented stretch of consecutive warmer than average months. Although the eastern cooler than average temperatures was nothing historic, it would have been fair to mention the cold departures in the East as well in addition to the warmth in the central-western US.


I'm very much open to both the naturalists & AGW arguments & even the mixture of both; however, some of the AGW advocates are having a hayday with the warm pattern the U.S. has been in while ignoring the cold in other places. JB on the otherhand never sees the warm. In reality I get more than a little bent out of shape by boths sides cherry picking data.
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post Dec 10 2012, 05:18 AM
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QUOTE(grace @ Dec 10 2012, 03:23 AM) *
I'm very much open to both the naturalists & AGW arguments & even the mixture of both; however, some of the AGW advocates are having a hayday with the warm pattern the U.S. has been in while ignoring the cold in other places. JB on the otherhand never sees the warm. In reality I get more than a little bent out of shape by boths sides cherry picking data.



So, we are saying that those on either side should really operate from more of a deontological approach putting aside their personal agendas for the public good? Nice thought but the way I approach it is that after they cherry pick, we have to do an additional cherry pick to obtain the data that we deem important.


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