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lfunk11
post Jan 6 2010, 10:49 AM
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I thought this was an interesting article. As a scientist I pretty much do not 100% back either side of the global warming debate, but I generally feel there really isn't enough evidence to make the statements that always seemed to be made. Anytime there is record heat, mild winters, drought, hurricanes (Katrina), etc you seem to always find a news story somewhere linking the event to global warming. However, whenever there is unusual cold or a harsh winter/cool summer then its just normal cycles in the weather pattern and not any indication that global warming might be over hyped. Just seems like people are ignoring some weather events while focusing only on events that support their beliefs

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100106/ap_on_...eu_britain_snow

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LONDON Unusually heavy snowfall stranded hundreds of motorists, disrupted trains and shut down schools and airports across Britain on Wednesday as the country suffered through its longest cold snap in nearly 30 years.

Airports across the country were paralyzed, with London's Gatwick and Stansted unable to operate and hundreds of flights canceled. At Gatwick, where the only runway had been shut for snow clearance all day, more than 240 flights were canceled. London Luton airport was closed until early afternoon. A dozen flights were also canceled at London's Heathrow airport, Europe's busiest, with long lines building at check-in desks.

The foul weather also badly hit Britain's road network. Sections of the country's most important highways_ including the M1, which links London and Leeds were closed, and the military was called in overnight to help rescue motorists when up to 1,000 vehicles were caught in a snow-related traffic jam in Hampshire, in southern England. Many people were evacuated to nearby rescue centers but some slept in their vehicles overnight.

The demands on rescue workers in southern England were so overwhelming that coast guard workers turned their skills from sea to land to help out.

Train services were also affected, with lines in southern England reporting reduced services. Eurostar, whose service through the Channel Tunnel was frozen for days by snow-related problems in the run-up to Christmas, said it was canceling four services Wednesday due to the weather. Nationwide, thousands of schools closed down.

However London's transport system, which practically ground to a halt when snow hit the capital in February, only suffered minor disruptions.

British winters are typically mild, and cities and towns are generally ill-equipped to deal with heavy snowfall. With the worst-hit areas seeing up to 16 inches (40 centimeters) of snow, officials and road crews were struggling to keep up.

Several local governments were running out of sand and salt with some reportedly emptying department stores of supplies. The wintry weather has prompted some police forces to urge drivers to stay off the roads and some trash collectors to suspend their rounds.

The national weather office says Britain is experiencing its longest cold snap since 1981. The unusually cold weather is expected to continue for the next two weeks.

Forecasters say that, while rare, the recent bout of cold weather isn't necessarily a sign of climate change.

Robin Thwaytes, the duty forecaster at Britain's weather office, said "it's very unusual for something like this to last as long as it has," but noted that such events can happen every 20 to 30 years.


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post Jan 6 2010, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(lfunk11 @ Jan 6 2010, 10:49 AM) *
I thought this was an interesting article. As a scientist I pretty much do not 100% back either side of the global warming debate, but I generally feel there really isn't enough evidence to make the statements that always seemed to be made. Anytime there is record heat, mild winters, drought, hurricanes (Katrina), etc you seem to always find a news story somewhere linking the event to global warming. However, whenever there is unusual cold or a harsh winter/cool summer then its just normal cycles in the weather pattern and not any indication that global warming might be over hyped. Just seems like people are ignoring some weather events while focusing only on events that support their beliefs

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100106/ap_on_...eu_britain_snow



I know people are going to reply to this and say it's a sign of global cooling (or even global warming).

I completely agree with Anthropogenical Global Warming, but I'm smart enough to know you don't base a trend off of statistical outliers.

This cold snap is no more a sign of global cooling than 1998 was a sign of global warming.

The trend is your friend.
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post Jan 9 2010, 09:03 AM
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I usually don't post here, but I remember in previous years seeing the UK Met office always calling for the same thing: BBQ summers and mild winters, and if I'm not mistaken I think that they do this because of their belief in global warming. They also did that for this winter (Source: Accuweather's European blog).

Seeing the record breaking cold and snow in Europe, I don't think anyone's calling this a "mild" winter by now...

Here's a quote from an article I also saw this summer, going against their forecast for this winter:

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The Met Office 'forecast' (issued 23 July) for winter 2009-10 to be probably milder and wetter than average is nonsense and entirely what one would expect them to say. Their religious belief in non-existent man-made Global Warming means they could not say anything different. Their forecast should be ignored absolutely. Statistically speaking the opposite to what they say has a success score of 5/5.

In the immediate future I suggest the major clothing chains should consider sue-ing the Met Office for misleading advise 3 years running which is now leaving stacks of 'barbecue summer' wear falling onto the streets. And anyone who had an accident in winter because road-salt ran out should sue the Met Office and the local Council for negligence.


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post Jan 9 2010, 12:20 PM
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This winter is no more illustrative of global cooling than El Nino 98 is of global warming. Very true. This winter is also not as cold as winter 77 which I attribute in part to man-made gases. I fully expect man-made global warming will continue to be masked by natural variablility unitl such point that the mad-made gases have accumulated to such level that natural variability will be overwhelmed. This may take many hundreds of years of carbon emission despite Al Gore's expostulations to the contrary.

Man-made climate change...it's real!, and it's for future generations to be concerned.
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post Jan 12 2010, 08:55 PM
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The weather occurring this winter in Great Britain or elsewhere is irrelevant to the bigger picture of climate change and the global warming that is occurring. It is a much warmer and drier winter than normal over Alaska and Northern Canada. So what! Does not matter! Look at the big picture folks....not what is happening regionally!
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post Jan 21 2010, 12:54 AM
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Yes you can't just look at Great Britain or the Deep South in the USA. sure it has been cold there BUT It has been a warmer winter then normal in Northern Canada. Also been a warm winter in Southen Ontario Canada as well. little snow and the great lakes are ice free... by this time of year there would normally be 10 -20% covered.

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