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ILStormwatcher
post Jan 31 2017, 03:21 PM
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It's only 141 days from the start of Summer, 121 if you start at Meteorological Summer (June 1st). This Summer has some significance at it could or at least was forecasted at one point that the sea ice in the Arctic would melt entirely for the first time. Seems like we're on pace to be at least close to that.

As for the Northern Hemisphere landmasses particularly North America, parts of Europe, and Russia it could be a very warm to hot one which may rival the notoriously hot and dry Summer of 2012. Looks like some similarities in the pattern are showing up. A mild winter across North America and a weakening La Nina going to ENSO (neutral) with a negative PNA which should shift to neutral to possibly positive by Summer's end. NAO/AO also should be trending positive to neutral. All of these things should help contribute to a very hot and in some place bone dry Summer. Tropics could be interesting however especially mid to late season despite the dissipating Nina.

On the USA looking for the heat dome to build across the Mississippi River Valley into the Ohio Valley with several strong to intense MCS traveling on it's perimeter into the Great Lakes down to the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast with some action across the northern Plains. Long range outlooks are out as to where the strongest drought if it develops will sit, but if one where to go with my ideas it would put Kentucky, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri into Kansas south into Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma in the thick of it. In these regions several brief intense heatwaves or a few long duration heatwaves are possible with multiple 100+ degree days possible leading to a very high cooling demand along with water due to the heat and building flash drought. Southeast should come out wet from tropical activity and a few stalled backdoor fronts on the eastern side of the mean ridge. West could see some troughing action keeping a lid on temps there and depending on how active the eastern Pacific is; really help the Monsoon and provide at least localized continued drought relief. New England and the Pacific Northwest has a shot at facing a cool but damp Summer.

Also of major importance this Summer is the August 21st Total Solar Eclipse over parts of the lower 48 states namely Oregon to Missouri to South Carolina with a partial visible from most of the rest of North America. Hopefully the ridge dome is massive and strong during that time period so that everyone can catch a good view. Might be a tough one though as there is signs that the pattern could be shifting to a milder and wetter pattern towards the latter half of August into early September.
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post Feb 16 2017, 10:53 AM
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Summer 2016 New England was in a drought. Do you think New England could see more thunderstorms this year compared to last year? Also, any correlation between an active winter ( a lot of snow) and summer for thunderstorms?
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post Feb 20 2017, 09:21 AM
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24.75 days 90 or better at ORD JJA.


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post Feb 20 2017, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE(NewEnglander @ Feb 16 2017, 10:53 AM) *
Summer 2016 New England was in a drought. Do you think New England could see more thunderstorms this year compared to last year? Also, any correlation between an active winter ( a lot of snow) and summer for thunderstorms?


I don't want to speak for Stormwatcher but he seems to be hinting at it.

I think the Northeast will tend to get into the "Ring of Fire" battlezone between the fronts and the heat zone. So not as many dry hot days but more humidity. Plus May and June are always good for backdoor cold fronts here. So IMO less chance of drought developing.

EDIT - I don't think there is a correlation between winter snow/temps and # thunderstorms. I think further south there has to be a contrast - widespread warmth or widespread cool will not produce as many T-storms - need the instability that many clashes in air masses provides.

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Winter 2016-17 - Intervale, NH

Snow:
October - T
November - 3"
December - 38.25"
January - 15.75"
February - 46.25"
March - 18" (thru 3/15)
Season Total to date - 121.25" (Normal is 80")
First accumulating snow - Nov. 20-21
First significant event (4" plus) - Dec. 11-12
Date snow passed last year's total (44") - Jan. 1

First max below freezing - Dec. 7
First low below 20F - Dec. 4
First low below 10F - Dec. 10
First subzero low - Dec. 16
# of days w/ lows below zero - 8
# of days w/ max below 15F - 5
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post Feb 20 2017, 10:50 AM
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post Feb 20 2017, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE(OSNW3 @ Feb 20 2017, 11:50 AM) *


Love how it peaks around the Eclipse before backing off. Best time for a mega heat dome. Also what's your opinion on Jun and Jul. Looks like it's showing hot as well with a mid July cool down 3-5 days. Also ideas for St. Louis, MO? Your site no longer covers there.
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post Feb 21 2017, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(ILStormwatcher @ Feb 20 2017, 10:14 AM) *
Love how it peaks around the Eclipse before backing off. Best time for a mega heat dome. Also what's your opinion on Jun and Jul. Looks like it's showing hot as well with a mid July cool down 3-5 days. Also ideas for St. Louis, MO? Your site no longer covers there.


Anything specific you want to see for STL?


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post Feb 22 2017, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(OSNW3 @ Feb 21 2017, 12:04 PM) *
Anything specific you want to see for STL?


Do you have anything for Pittsburgh?
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post Feb 24 2017, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(Ahoff @ Feb 22 2017, 05:07 PM) *
Do you have anything for Pittsburgh?


Without effort, stations near Pittsburgh that are currently in the database are Cleveland and Columbus Ohio. But with a small amount of effort I could put Pittsburgh in the database.

And for ILStormwatcher, Columbia is in the database, but I could put St. Louis in there if desired.

Let me know.

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ILStormwatcher
post Feb 24 2017, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(OSNW3 @ Feb 24 2017, 03:53 PM) *
Without effort, stations near Pittsburgh that are currently in the database are Cleveland and Columbus Ohio. But with a small amount of effort I could put Pittsburgh in the database.

And for ILStormwatcher, Columbia is in the database, but I could put St. Louis in there if desired.

Let me know.


Please do, as there's quite a bit of difference between Chicago and Columbia, MO in sensible wx conditions or at least there can be.
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post Feb 24 2017, 05:05 PM
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Local Meteorologist that did a Spring forecast is hinting at a 2012 repeat for Summer without any major details as he was mainly covering March-May, but ended with a nod to Summer 2012 for June through August. Monthly models seem to be on a similar boat with moderate constancy.
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post Mar 12 2017, 12:20 PM
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