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> Severe Weather Index Research Causing a Stir, Why The Stink?
Is There Room For a New Severe Weather Index?
Is There Room For a New Severe Weather Index?
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No [ 4 ] ** [30.77%]
Indifferent [ 5 ] ** [38.46%]
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jdrenken
post Apr 23 2016, 01:54 PM
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This tweet is causing quite a stir...


This one came up a little bit later...


Case in point...


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post Apr 24 2016, 09:27 AM
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Come on people...48 views and only one vote??!! laugh.gif


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post Apr 24 2016, 10:04 AM
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Living someplace that averages 24 days of thunderstorms per year. Really doesn't matter to me if there are 2 severe weather indexes or 20.


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post Apr 24 2016, 10:43 AM
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I did see this thread and stink the tweets and new indices proposed caused, I just abstained from voting as I don't follow enough severe yet to really be on one side or the other. As GB said epa isn't a severe hotbed.

Actually confused the above Tim tweet for Samaras for a moment sad.gif sad.gif

I really can't lean one way or another yet but the significant tornado parameter index does really seem to be what other people are trying to replicate or possibly even improve.

As long as people are losing their lives I believe indices and especially WARNING systems are totally open for improvement.

Agendas are everywhere and obviously if a new index looks like STP^2 then we as responsible followers should take notice...

But why hinder advancement altogether?

These aren't snowstorms so I sort of have a harder time "rooting" for severe or watching people try and profit from it unless it's for the betterment of the field and people that this affects.

Maybe some more knowledgeable severe posters will interject.

Cape, helicity, dry lines, moisture feeds/masses, capping can only be quantified together so much... Longer term more accurate forecasting and warnings are imo where focus should go...

As a casual observer I notice wording and warnings seems to still come fairly late in game especially if these places lose power prior to super cells capable of producing PDS are evident.

These aren't snowstorms and forecasts should be allowed to "bust" a bit more if it means death tolls can be reduced even more and proper accurate warnings delivered.

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post Apr 24 2016, 06:15 PM
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post Apr 24 2016, 06:52 PM
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Went to the severe weather conference here in Nashville recently and Spann talked about how social media (tv stations,etc.)has it's own agenda with severe weather.To me it made perfect since when you have what the models are showing in mid.to short range alot of media goes against the SPC and has their own severe weather index or agenda.

Now social media these day throw out there own severe weather indexes,once again(tv,etc) in short range,But in short range models can be real volatile and change.

Now with this being said, if you tell the public a day or two in advance in social media your risk is low like the torcon does(just using Dr.G as an example) and start throwing out the risk is 1 to whatever,this seems a bit extreme to me.If you want to do this, you should update your forecast on each and every model run not when you feel like it or got time or not even post anything.Social media doesn't do this because they want to be right and don't want the public to keep seeing changes,then they make these stupid *bleep* remarks of what happened of why we didn't get a storm to why we had the loss of lives.

Voted NO.Keep it with the SPC like Spann says


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post Apr 25 2016, 11:52 AM
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and let us please not start naming severe storms too!


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post Apr 25 2016, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(kpk33x @ Apr 25 2016, 12:52 PM) *
and let us please not start naming severe storms too!


Will each storm cell get a name or will all the storms that pop up on a given day be given the same name? tongue.gif


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post Apr 25 2016, 03:58 PM
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post Apr 25 2016, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(jdrenken @ Apr 23 2016, 01:54 PM) *
This one came up a little bit later...


I enjoy the follow up.
https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/724560086182584322

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post Apr 25 2016, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(OSNW3 @ Apr 25 2016, 05:07 PM) *


Lolol

I noticed MV's index spread the severe chance more east than scp and now scp has adjusted... Was wondering what he had to say, good stuff.

From "why do we need this?" To "what are your parameters?!"

It wouldn't be proprietary if he told everyone smile.gif





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post Apr 25 2016, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE(jdrenken @ Apr 24 2016, 10:27 AM) *
Come on people...48 views and only one vote??!! laugh.gif

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