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> Oct. 7-10th Plains/MW/GL/OV Flooding, Reality: Short Range [0-3 Days Out] Observations
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post Oct 5 2009, 07:55 PM
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Excessive Amounts of rain for the Midwest / Great Lakes and Ohio Valley Possible.

I believe this is right let me know of any changes that need to be made wink.gif
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WCIA_dfabert Forecast is much more believeable! Notice that the legend has changed! #cILwx

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2013-2014
# of Severe Thunderstorm Watches: 4
# of Severe Thunderstorm Warnings:3
# of Tornado Watches:0
# of Tornado Warnings:1

2013-2014 Snowfall:42.8"
2012-2013 Snowfall: 24.4"


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post Oct 5 2009, 08:33 PM
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Is there a rule that says the "storm forecast/obs threads" can't cover the flooding aspects of it? Do we really need to split up things this much? Other than this beef I have (not with you CentralIllinois, just with this phisophy of splitting up every different kind of sensible weather into different threads for the same storm) the thread title/dates look fine, may need to extend them a day earlier though. We'll see.
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post Oct 5 2009, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(OHweather2 @ Oct 5 2009, 08:33 PM) *
Is there a rule that says the "storm forecast/obs threads" can't cover the flooding aspects of it? Do we really need to split up things this much? Other than this beef I have (not with you CentralIllinois, just with this phisophy of splitting up every different kind of sensible weather into different threads for the same storm) the thread title/dates look fine, may need to extend them a day earlier though. We'll see.

I can agree with that. Severe wx would be the only reason that I can see a seperate thread being needed. I'm sure Jesse wouldn't change it though, since the flooding can continue to occur even after the storm has passed.
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post Oct 5 2009, 11:10 PM
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New 00Z GFS shows Missouri,Illinois and Indiana getting slammed with very heavy rainfall


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WCIA_dfabert Forecast is much more believeable! Notice that the legend has changed! #cILwx

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After 1 model run



2013-2014
# of Severe Thunderstorm Watches: 4
# of Severe Thunderstorm Warnings:3
# of Tornado Watches:0
# of Tornado Warnings:1

2013-2014 Snowfall:42.8"
2012-2013 Snowfall: 24.4"


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post Oct 5 2009, 11:25 PM
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00Z GFS Yikes!!!!
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WCIA_dfabert Forecast is much more believeable! Notice that the legend has changed! #cILwx

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After 1 model run



2013-2014
# of Severe Thunderstorm Watches: 4
# of Severe Thunderstorm Warnings:3
# of Tornado Watches:0
# of Tornado Warnings:1

2013-2014 Snowfall:42.8"
2012-2013 Snowfall: 24.4"


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post Oct 6 2009, 05:55 AM
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QUOTE(CentralIllinois @ Oct 6 2009, 12:25 AM) *
00Z GFS Yikes!!!!

ohmy.gif too much rain
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post Oct 6 2009, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE(max140 @ Oct 6 2009, 06:55 AM) *
ohmy.gif too much rain


That would cause some flash flooding problems for sure. I'm interested to see how this turns out, this area has suffered a lot of flooding over the past year and a half, and 4-6 inches of rain over a two day period would wreak havoc on this area, again. Last year, we had five inches of rain in a two day period and this is what happened...

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That is the Little Calumet River, crested at a record level. That flood wall had just gotten finished up about two weeks earlier, thankfully because my house is off the picture on the left side and would have been under 2-3 feet of water otherwise.

Anyway, yeah, it's not gonna be good if we get that amount of rain in such a short time.

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post Oct 6 2009, 09:41 AM
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I'm confused...we are expecting some rain/storms today, but it doesn't look THIS heavy. Also a bit more on Friday. When is this flooding rain supposed to occur?
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post Oct 6 2009, 10:09 AM
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12Z NAM (84hr precip total)

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post Oct 6 2009, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(MichelleOH @ Oct 6 2009, 10:41 AM) *
I'm confused...we are expecting some rain/storms today, but it doesn't look THIS heavy. Also a bit more on Friday. When is this flooding rain supposed to occur?


The flooding isn't forecast to occur with today's storms, it will be the Thursday-Friday stuff that gives us some headaches, possibly.
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post Oct 6 2009, 11:25 AM
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This is the HPC's probability of seeing above average rainfall.



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post Oct 6 2009, 12:07 PM
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FOR THURSDAY NIGHT INTO FRIDAY...AS MENTIONED...HAVE LEANED TOWARD
THE ECMWF AND HPC GUIDANCE...WHICH PUSH A FRONTAL SYSTEM ACROSS
THE GREAT LAKES AND OHIO VALLEY THROUGH THIS TIME PERIOD. USING THE
AFOREMENTIONED SOLUTION BRINGS PCPN INTO THE AREA FASTER AND FARTHER
SOUTH THAN THE GFS. ALSO...WITH HIGH PWATS BETWEEN 1.50 AND 2.00
INCHES...THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME HEAVY RAINFALL.
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post Oct 6 2009, 12:32 PM
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GFS 12Z. Top

its basically NAM VS GFS

NAM 12Z. Bottom

The GFS looks more realistic for totals than the NAM
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WCIA_dfabert Forecast is much more believeable! Notice that the legend has changed! #cILwx

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After 1 model run



2013-2014
# of Severe Thunderstorm Watches: 4
# of Severe Thunderstorm Warnings:3
# of Tornado Watches:0
# of Tornado Warnings:1

2013-2014 Snowfall:42.8"
2012-2013 Snowfall: 24.4"


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post Oct 6 2009, 01:07 PM
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CentralIL, which location are you leaning more towards? The NAM's location or the GFS's location?
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post Oct 6 2009, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(weather_boy2010 @ Oct 6 2009, 01:07 PM) *
CentralIL, which location are you leaning more towards? The NAM's location or the GFS's location?

Even though i dont really want all the Heavy Rain the GFS has been more realistic and consistent with the placement of the heavy rain so im going with the GFS


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WCIA_dfabert Forecast is much more believeable! Notice that the legend has changed! #cILwx

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After 1 model run



2013-2014
# of Severe Thunderstorm Watches: 4
# of Severe Thunderstorm Warnings:3
# of Tornado Watches:0
# of Tornado Warnings:1

2013-2014 Snowfall:42.8"
2012-2013 Snowfall: 24.4"


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post Oct 6 2009, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(CentralIllinois @ Oct 6 2009, 02:35 PM) *
Even though i dont really want all the Heavy Rain the GFS has been more realistic and consistent with the placement of the heavy rain so im going with the GFS


Sometimes I have issues trusting the GFS, but it has been very consistent with location and amounts. The Chicago forecast office isn't going one way or the other yet.

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RAIN AND SOME THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO COME BACK INTO THE
FORECAST AREA THURSDAY AND FRIDAY AS A DEEPENING BROAD CLOSED
UPPER LOW TAKES FORM OVER CENTRAL CANADA AND SERVES AS THE FOCUS
FOR OUR COLD TREND TOWARD THE END OF THE WEEK. AT THE SFC...A LOW
IS EXPECTED TO TRACK ACROSS NORTHERN ONTARIO AND BRING A COLD
FRONT INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST. FURTHER SOUTH...WAA WILL BE BRINGING
PRECIPITATION NORTH IN CONJUNCTION WITH A SEPARATE UPPER TROF
CURRENTLY OFF THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA COAST. STILL SOME UNCERTAIN
DETAILS WITH HOW THIS SCENARIO WILL PAN OUT AS THE NAM IS HITTING
THE PRECIP HARDER TO THE SOUTH OF THE CWA WHILE THE GFS IS FURTHER
NORTH ACROSS FAR NORTHERN ILLINOIS...WHILE THE ECMWF IS SOMEWHERE
IN BETWEEN.
WILL HAVE TO FINE TUNE THIS FORECAST AS THE WEEK
PROGRESSES AND THE MODELS HOPEFULLY TREND ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.


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12z gfs gives me 4 inches ! If october is like the winter then were going to have a very wet winter
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post Oct 6 2009, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(max140 @ Oct 6 2009, 03:41 PM) *
12z gfs gives me 4 inches ! If october is like the winter then were going to have a very wet winter


It's possible. Henry's forecast had a large area of the eastern United States getting anywhere from 110% to 200% of the normal precipitation. We'll see!

This is gonna be an interesting storm for sure, I am anxiously awaiting the model runs from here on out.
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It's possible. Henry's forecast had a large area of the eastern United States getting anywhere from 110% to 200% of the normal precipitation. We'll see!

This is gonna be an interesting storm for sure, I am anxiously awaiting the model runs from here on out.

where is the forecast?
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post Oct 6 2009, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(max140 @ Oct 6 2009, 03:54 PM) *
where is the forecast?


You will likely be extremely happy with his forecast. I do think it is a fairly accurate one too.

Here it is.
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