 Winter 2001-2002 vs Winter 2011-2012, Which one has been worse[in terms of mild/snowless] |
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  Feb 19 2012, 08:39 AM
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Vote, I defiantly choose winter 2011-2012, less than 5 inches of snow here, and no Winter Storm Watches or Warnings were ever issued here.
Edit:If this is in the wrong place in the forum, it can be moved to the appropriate place. This post has been edited by BtownWxWatcher: Feb 19 2012, 08:40 AM -------------------- No Wishcasting,Just Forecasting
I be on facebook a lot lol Summers a skorcher, don't let it continue, 105 BWI 7/6/10 FTW Winter 2010-2011:Moderate/Strong La Nina? Stay Tuned -PDO/Global Cooling on the way? http://wxunleashed.blogspot.com/ |
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Feb 19 2012, 08:46 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
It wasn't quite a 'Current Weather' thread, but I left an arrow so that people could still find it.
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Feb 19 2012, 08:54 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm Group: Member Posts: 7,494 Joined: 3-November 08 From: Perry Hall,MD Member No.: 16,078 |
Temperature comparisions from 12/1 to 2/15
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I be on facebook a lot lol Summers a skorcher, don't let it continue, 105 BWI 7/6/10 FTW Winter 2010-2011:Moderate/Strong La Nina? Stay Tuned -PDO/Global Cooling on the way? http://wxunleashed.blogspot.com/ |
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Feb 19 2012, 09:05 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm Group: Member Posts: 7,494 Joined: 3-November 08 From: Perry Hall,MD Member No.: 16,078 |
SST's Dec-Jan
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Number of downloads: 1Still quite a few differences, I think this winter may have not been as much a suprise that it was going to be bad compared to the ENSO look for 2001-2002. -------------------- No Wishcasting,Just Forecasting
I be on facebook a lot lol Summers a skorcher, don't let it continue, 105 BWI 7/6/10 FTW Winter 2010-2011:Moderate/Strong La Nina? Stay Tuned -PDO/Global Cooling on the way? http://wxunleashed.blogspot.com/ |
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Feb 19 2012, 09:10 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm Group: Member Posts: 7,494 Joined: 3-November 08 From: Perry Hall,MD Member No.: 16,078 |
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Number of downloads: 0Look at the difference in Europe. -------------------- No Wishcasting,Just Forecasting
I be on facebook a lot lol Summers a skorcher, don't let it continue, 105 BWI 7/6/10 FTW Winter 2010-2011:Moderate/Strong La Nina? Stay Tuned -PDO/Global Cooling on the way? http://wxunleashed.blogspot.com/ |
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Feb 19 2012, 09:23 AM
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I chose 2001-02 due to the temps and snow totals being much worse that winter and we still have another month for this one..
Some snow totals for 2001-02' Year: 2001-2002 Albany, NY: 47.4 Central Park, NY: 3.5 Baltimore, MD: 2.3 Pittsburgh, PA: 25.7 Philadelphia, PA: 4.0 St. Louis, MO: 23.4 Chicago, IL: 31.1 Worchester, MA: 42.9 State College, PA: 21.7 Boston, MA: 15.1 Hartford, CT: 17.9 Bridgeport, CT: 7.0 Syracuse, NY: 59.4 -------------------- Snow Totals Per Season:
2007-08: 21" 2008-09: 41" 2009-10: 39.5" 2010-11: 71.5" 2011-12: 14" 2012-13: 46.5" Average(since 1950) = 27.75" |
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Feb 19 2012, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(NorEaster07 @ Feb 19 2012, 09:23 AM)  I chose 2001-02 due to the temps and snow totals being much worse that winter and we still have another month for this one.. Some snow totals for 2001-02' Year: 2001-2002 Albany, NY: 47.4 Central Park, NY: 3.5 Baltimore, MD: 2.3 Pittsburgh, PA: 25.7 Philadelphia, PA: 4.0St. Louis, MO: 23.4 Chicago, IL: 31.1 Worchester, MA: 42.9 State College, PA: 21.7 Boston, MA: 15.1 Hartford, CT: 17.9 Bridgeport, CT: 7.0 Syracuse, NY: 59.4 Wow... I wasn't following the weather back then but even in that terrible winter, places south of NYC still had more snow than NYC itself... QUOTE Central Park, NY: 3.5
Philadelphia, PA: 4.0 -------------------- Visit my weather website for the NYC area
Past winter totals for Albany (Avg ~60"): 11-12: 23.3", 12-13: 51.4" Past winter totals for NE NJ (Avg ~30"): 06-07: 14.7", 07-08: 17.0", 08-09: 34.5", 09-10: 58.7", 10-11: 68.5", 11-12 disaster: 12.5 inches 12-13: 36.6" |
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Feb 19 2012, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(NorEaster07 @ Feb 19 2012, 09:23 AM) I chose 2001-02 due to the temps and snow totals being much worse that winter and we still have another month for this one.. Some snow totals for 2001-02' Year: 2001-2002 Albany, NY: 47.4 Central Park, NY: 3.5 Baltimore, MD: 2.3 Pittsburgh, PA: 25.7 Philadelphia, PA: 4.0 St. Louis, MO: 23.4 Chicago, IL: 31.1 Worchester, MA: 42.9 State College, PA: 21.7 Boston, MA: 15.1 Hartford, CT: 17.9 Bridgeport, CT: 7.0 Syracuse, NY: 59.4 This is a tough call, and though its Feb. 19 and still no decent pattern set up for the next 8 to 10 days for cold and snow.............something can(though not likely) still happen and bump up snow totals As far as a winter pattern......this one is up there with some of the worst, with barely any cold dumps and a continued progressive pattern leading to no sustained cold outbreaks, horrible winter blocking setups, and barley any changes to teleconnections... Snow can happen even in spring, so verdict will have to wait on that........winter pattern, done.....
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First Snow: 11/7/12 - 7 inches Bunch of Clippers that produced a total of 3 inches... 2/8/13 - Blizzard backend snows - 6.5 inches +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WINTER 2009/2010 Season 73.9 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WINTER 2010/2011 Season total - 49 inches ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WINTER 2011/2012 Season Toal - Too little to mention |
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Feb 19 2012, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(NorEaster07 @ Feb 19 2012, 09:23 AM) I chose 2001-02 due to the temps and snow totals being much worse that winter and we still have another month for this one.. Some snow totals for 2001-02' Year: 2001-2002 Albany, NY: 47.4 Central Park, NY: 3.5 Baltimore, MD: 2.3 Pittsburgh, PA: 25.7 Philadelphia, PA: 4.0 St. Louis, MO: 23.4 Chicago, IL: 31.1 Worchester, MA: 42.9 State College, PA: 21.7 Boston, MA: 15.1 Hartford, CT: 17.9 Bridgeport, CT: 7.0 Syracuse, NY: 59.4 That's right around what we have right now if you count October, but this winter just feels worse than 01-02 for some reason. -------------------- Rob
Member of the 30" Club 2012-2013 Total Snowfall: 85.5" 2012-2013 Winter Wx predictions: Total Snowfall (Nov. 1 -- Mar. 31): 39.5" 50+ Degree Days since Dec. 1: 10 Winter Wx. Events: 11/7-11/9: 7" 11/27-11/29: T 11/30: T (flurries) 12/22: T (lake-effect) 12/24: 1" (clipper) 12/27: 5" (turned to slop) 12/29-12/30: 10" (resulted in 2 week snowpack) 1/16: 4" 1/21:T (norlun) 1/25-1/26: T 1/28: 2" 2/1-2/3:T 2/5: T 2013 North American Blizzard: 32" (all-time record) 2/13: T 2/16: 2" Various T events up to 3/2: .5" 3/6-3/8: 17" 3/18-3/19: 4.5" 10/29/11, 10/29/12, and 2/8-9/13: Never forget |
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Feb 19 2012, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(sw03181 @ Feb 19 2012, 10:48 AM) That's right around what we have right now if you count October, but this winter just feels worse than 01-02 for some reason. IMO, probably because it counts October - 01-02 had its totals without the October snow, while most of this year's total north/west of I-95 and in parts of the Northeast came in October. -------------------- Visit my weather website for the NYC area
Past winter totals for Albany (Avg ~60"): 11-12: 23.3", 12-13: 51.4" Past winter totals for NE NJ (Avg ~30"): 06-07: 14.7", 07-08: 17.0", 08-09: 34.5", 09-10: 58.7", 10-11: 68.5", 11-12 disaster: 12.5 inches 12-13: 36.6" |
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Feb 19 2012, 11:35 AM
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This winter was slightly better for NYC than 01-02. It's really not because we surpassed the 3.5 inches in 01-02. It's because there were really no cold outbreaks at all. There was a brief one in late Dec as I recall but atleast this winter we had several bursts of cold air despite the fact that not a single one of them had any staying power. The other thing that stands out is that 01-02 had some real torch stretches in it. I clearly remember days in Feb well into the 60's and there may have been a 70 in there as well. As warm as its been this wintere here, there really haven't been any torches comparable to what occured in 01-02. The better term would be its been a "mild" winter, not necessarily a blow torch, atleast not in these parts. Consistent/persistent mildness but no real torch IMO. On a brighter note, we all know what happened the following winter in 02-03
-------------------- "FOR THE WINTER 2012-2013................all I can say for now.............Are we ready to rock n' roll?
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Feb 19 2012, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(mr freeze @ Feb 19 2012, 11:35 AM) This winter was slightly better for NYC than 01-02. It's really not because we surpassed the 3.5 inches in 01-02. It's because there were really no cold outbreaks at all. There was a brief one in late Dec as I recall but atleast this winter we had several bursts of cold air despite the fact that not a single one of them had any staying power. The other thing that stands out is that 01-02 had some real torch stretches in it. I clearly remember days in Feb well into the 60's and there may have been a 70 in there as well. As warm as its been this wintere here, there really haven't been any torches comparable to what occured in 01-02. The better term would be its been a "mild" winter, not necessarily a blow torch, atleast not in these parts. Consistent/persistent mildness but no real torch IMO. On a brighter note, we all know what happened the following winter in 02-03 Hopefully we can insert a "1" instead of a zero to make it a better winter in 12-13 
-------------------- Visit my weather website for the NYC area
Past winter totals for Albany (Avg ~60"): 11-12: 23.3", 12-13: 51.4" Past winter totals for NE NJ (Avg ~30"): 06-07: 14.7", 07-08: 17.0", 08-09: 34.5", 09-10: 58.7", 10-11: 68.5", 11-12 disaster: 12.5 inches 12-13: 36.6" |
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Feb 19 2012, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(NYCSuburbs @ Feb 19 2012, 11:37 AM) Hopefully we can insert a "1" instead of a zero to make it a better winter in 12-13 Now that would be awesome  !!!Does anyone know what ever happened to OHweather2 (JIM)? I haven't seen that guy once this whole winter. He was very knowledgable and a great edition to this forum. Hopefully he'll return at some point! -------------------- "FOR THE WINTER 2012-2013................all I can say for now.............Are we ready to rock n' roll?
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Feb 19 2012, 02:44 PM
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I'm going to say 2001-2002 was worse for us. At least this winter, we've already surpassed the meager 4.42" inches of rain recorded in Downtown L.A. that winter (they have 5.22" right now). Only 3.87" inches of rain was recorded in my town from July 1st, 2001 through June 30th, 2002 (the full measuring period for a rainy season). At the time, 2001-2002 was our driest rainy season in recorded history (dating back to the 1880s). At least we're doing better than that this winter, although not by all that much. And while I know you guys in the Northeast/Midwest weren't affected by this at all - 2006-2007 was actually even worse; that became our official driest rainy season in history just a few years later. Only 3.21" inches of rain was recorded in Downtown L.A. between July 1st, 2006 and June 30th, 2007. That's just horrible. But if I remember correctly, you guys up there didn't have a bad winter like we did then.
-------------------- Temecula Seasonal Precipitation 2012-2013: 7.27" (-6.34") Normal to-date precipitation: 13.61" East Murrieta Seasonal Precipitation 2012-2013: 7.11" Season began July 1st, 2012. Temecula Weather Pages |
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Feb 20 2012, 07:37 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm Group: Member Posts: 7,494 Joined: 3-November 08 From: Perry Hall,MD Member No.: 16,078 |
I didnt realize that we had less than 5 inches of snow during 2001-2002.
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I be on facebook a lot lol Summers a skorcher, don't let it continue, 105 BWI 7/6/10 FTW Winter 2010-2011:Moderate/Strong La Nina? Stay Tuned -PDO/Global Cooling on the way? http://wxunleashed.blogspot.com/ |
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Feb 20 2012, 07:44 AM
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Comparision of November 2001 and November 2011
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I be on facebook a lot lol Summers a skorcher, don't let it continue, 105 BWI 7/6/10 FTW Winter 2010-2011:Moderate/Strong La Nina? Stay Tuned -PDO/Global Cooling on the way? http://wxunleashed.blogspot.com/ |
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Feb 20 2012, 07:48 AM
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Comparision of December 2001 and December 2011
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I be on facebook a lot lol Summers a skorcher, don't let it continue, 105 BWI 7/6/10 FTW Winter 2010-2011:Moderate/Strong La Nina? Stay Tuned -PDO/Global Cooling on the way? http://wxunleashed.blogspot.com/ |
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Feb 20 2012, 07:51 AM
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Comparision of January 2002 and January 2012
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Feb 20 2012, 03:55 PM
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I say this winter because it is currenlty happening.
Both are/were horrible but at least we have had moderate temps. Nothing would have been worse if this winter was bitter cold and no snow. 
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Feb 21 2012, 01:44 AM
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Winter 2001-2002 gave us a 2 and 1/2 inch Ice storm here in KC. was without power for 2 weeks.
we only now have 3.5 inches of snow total for the season here in KC. most fell last week when we got 2-3 inches. -------------------- My dick is bigger than yours!
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