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Apr 8 2012, 07:24 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
This thread is for the main player that will become our severe threat this upcoming weekend. If one watches a loop of the 500mb, you will see the energy is different from the 12-13th system.
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Apr 8 2012, 09:02 AM
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![]() Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 9,534 Joined: 26-January 10 From: Springfield, IL Member No.: 21,113 |
QUOTE PRELIMINARY EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD 905 AM EDT SUN APR 08 2012 VALID 12Z THU APR 12 2012 - 12Z SUN APR 15 2012 ...SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS POSSIBLE ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS FROM WEDNESDAY THROUGH NEXT SATURDAY... THE GENERAL FLOW PATTERN WILL CONTINUE TO FEATURE TROUGHING ACROSS THE NORTHEAST AND JUST OFFSHORE WESTERN NORTH AMERICA THROUGH THIS WEEK...BEFORE RIDGING ACROSS THE FAR NORTHERN PACIFIC OCEAN CAUSES A RETROGRESSION IN THE EASTERN PACIFIC TROUGH. THE GLOBAL GUIDANCE AND ENSEMBLE MEANS ARE IN EXCELLENT AGREEMENT THROUGH THE PERIOD CONCERNING THIS AMPLIFIED FLOW PATTERN...WHICH LEADS TO BETTER THAN AVERAGE CONFIDENCE. THE 00Z GLOBAL ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE SPREAD IS SIMILAR TO THE CURRENT DETERMINISTIC MODEL SPREAD THIS WEEKEND ACROSS CENTRAL NORTH AMERICA. SINCE THE AGREEMENT IS SO GOOD...WENT WITH A 40/30/30 BLEND OF THE 00Z UKMET/06Z GFS/00Z ECMWF THROUGH FRIDAY BEFORE SWITCHING TO A SIMPLE 50/50 BLEND OF THE 06Z GFS/00Z ECMWF WHICH LED TO REASONABLE CONTINUITY. THIS BLEND ACCOUNTS FOR ISSUES SEEN ACROSS THE NORTHERN PLAINS LATE IN THE PERIOD...WHERE THE 06Z GFS IS LIKELY TOO STRONG ALOFT. MUCH OF THE PRECIPITATION THIS PERIOD SHOULD FALL ACROSS THE WEST...PLAINS/MIDWEST...AND OHIO VALLEY...WITH RAINS POSSIBLY SPREADING INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC STATES NEXT SATURDAY. THE WESTERN PRECIPITATION SHOULD BE DUE TO A COMBINATION OF PERSISTENT ONSHORE FLOW AND THE PASSAGE OF A COUPLE UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCES WHICH SHOULD KEEP THE ATMOSPHERE UNSETTLED AND PRECIPITATION FOCUSED INTO WEST AND SOUTHWEST-FACING SLOPES OF THE ROCKIES AND COASTAL RANGES OF CALIFORNIA. IN THE PLAINS...THE AVAILABILITY OF PRECIPITATION WATER AMOUNTS OF OVER AN INCH SHOULD ALLOW CONVECTION TO DEVELOP CLOSE TO SURFACE BOUNDARIES. PER THE STORM PREDICTION CENTER /SPC/...SEVERE WEATHER REMAINS A THREAT ACROSS THE SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL PLAINS THROUGH THE PERIOD...WITH AN AREA DEPICTED ACROSS KANSAS AND OKLAHOMA THURSDAY. LATE THIS WEEK...THUNDERSTORMS INITIATE NEAR A SLOWLY MOVING WARM FRONT BEFORE THE THEY MOVE/PROPAGATE SOUTHEAST INTO THE WARM SECTOR. THE MANUAL DAY 4-5 QPF PLAYED DOWN THE 00Z ECMWF SOLUTION /WHICH FITS THE PREFERRED MODEL BLEND AT THIS TIME RANGE/ THAT LOOKED PARTICULARLY SHARP/DYNAMIC ALOFT AND FORMED CONVECTION WELL NORTHWARD INTO THE COLD SECTOR. ANOTHER BOUT OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IS POSSIBLE SATURDAY ACROSS OKLAHOMA AND KANSAS /WHERE SPC HAS DEPICTED ANOTHER AREA/ DUE TO THE APPROACH OF A DEEP/CLOSED CYCLONE MOVING THROUGH THE WEST AND ROCKIES...WITH CONVECTION MOVING ALONG A MORE EASTERLY TRAJECTORY NEXT WEEKEND AS THE RIDGING IN THE SOUTHEAST BUILDS. THE 00Z/06Z GFS RUNS DISAGREED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS PRECIPITATION WOULD SNEAK INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC STATES UNDER THE BASE OF THE NORTHEASTERN TROUGH...THOUGH THE 00Z ECMWF AGREED IN GENERAL THAT LIGHT TO MODERATE RAINS WERE POSSIBLE NEXT SATURDAY...EVEN IF THE AXES IN THE 00Z ECMWF/06Z GFS WERE A BIT DIFFERENT ON THEIR WAY TOWARDS THE MID-ATLANTIC STATES RUNNING THROUGH THE GREAT LAKES/MID-SOUTH RESPECTIVELY. ROTH |
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Apr 8 2012, 10:09 AM
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![]() Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 4,478 Joined: 7-December 10 From: Chicago Member No.: 24,567 |
![]() QUOTE DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0359 AM CDT SUN APR 08 2012 VALID 111200Z - 161200Z FOR D7/SAT...THE GFS/ECMWF ARE IN BETTER AGREEMENT AGAIN WITH RESPECT TO THE DISTRIBUTION OF LOW LEVEL MOISTURE AND WARM SECTOR SETUP ACROSS TX INTO KS. GREATEST JUXTAPOSITION OF INSTABILITY AND STRONG DEEP LAYER SHEAR SUPPORTS ANOTHER REGIONAL SEVERE WEATHER THREAT AREA SIMILAR TO D5 ACROSS OK/KS. -------------------- My Blog: http://theweathercentre.blogspot.com
2013 Severe Weather Season Tornado Watches: 0 Tornado Warnings: 0 Severe Thunderstorm Watches: 2 Severe Thunderstorm Warnings: 4 Slight Risk Days: 4 Moderate Risk Days: 0 High Risk Days: 0 Annual Snowfall 2012-2013: 37.5'' QUOTE When looking at the models: Trends, trends, trends! |
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Apr 8 2012, 10:26 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
Mike Smith's thoughts...
QUOTE Sunday, April 8, 2012
Uh, Oh! Keep an Eye on the Weather This Week If you live in the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, and Arkansas pay attention to the weather this week. It appears, roughly from Tuesday night through next Sunday, we will have the first weather pattern of 2012 to set up a multi-day severe weather situation. -------------------- |
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Apr 8 2012, 11:17 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
LOT is thinking that this will slow down even more...
QUOTE AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL 1051 AM CDT SUN APR 8 2012 IN THE EXTENDED...SOUTHWEST UPPER FLOW AND SURFACE LOW PRESSURE IS EXPECTED TO PREVAIL ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS FOR MUCH OF THURSDAY THROUGH NEXT SUNDAY. THIS WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH A DEVELOPING UPPER TROUGH ACROSS THE WEST. MULTIPLE SHORT WAVE IMPULSES ARE PROJECTED FROM THE CENTRAL PLAINS TOWARD THE GREAT LAKES REGION DURING THE END OF THE WEEK...ALONG WITH AN OVERALL ELEVATED WARM AIR ADVECTION PATTERN. THE HIGHER PRECIPITABLE WATER AIR...AND GENERAL INSTABILITY TO SUPPORT THUNDERSTORMS APPEARS TO ARRIVE FRIDAY OR FRIDAY NIGHT AT THIS TIME. THE WHOLE LONG WAVE TROUGH ON THE WEST DOES NOT APPEAR TO SHIFT EAST ENOUGH TO BRING A WELL- ORGANIZED SURFACE SYSTEM OUR WAY UNTIL EARLY NEXT WEEK...AND ITS POSSIBLE THAT SLOWS MORE. IT WILL BE SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON. AT THIS TIME...HAVE THUNDER CHANCES FOR FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY...AND INEVITABLY THERE WILL BE PERIODS IN THERE WHICH ARE BETTER DEFINED AS THIS WEEK PROGRESSES. MTF -------------------- |
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Apr 8 2012, 11:18 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
SGF's view...
QUOTE AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SPRINGFIELD MO 653 AM CDT SUN APR 8 2012 THE MODEL GUIDANCE IS SUGGESTING A MORE ACTIVE WEATHER PATTERN FOR THE AREA NEXT WEEKEND WITH A STRONGER AND MORE SOUTHERN TRACK SYSTEM MOVING OUT ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS INTO THE MIDWEST NEXT WEEKEND. THIS COULD BE A BETTER SETUP FOR SOME SEVERE WEATHER FOR THE REGION. IT IS TOO EARLY TO PINPOINT DOWN TIMING AND DETAILS BUT IT WILL BE SOMETHING TO WATCH IN LATER MODEL GUIDANCE AS WE GET CLOSER TO NEXT WEEKEND. OVERALL...EXPECT A MORE ACTIVE AND STORMY WEATHER PATTERN FOR LATE NEXT WEEK WITH TEMPERATURES WARMING UP ABOVE NORMAL. GRIFFIN -------------------- |
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Apr 8 2012, 06:20 PM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
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Apr 8 2012, 09:52 PM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
Adam Lucio's thoughts...
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Apr 9 2012, 04:09 AM
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Rank: Tornado ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 198 Joined: 22-October 11 Member No.: 26,121 |
Yikes, can't remember the last time we had 3 straight days outlined in a Day 4-8 outlook...I still think Saturday, as Peters mentions here, has the best outbreak potential given that it is the day that is likely to have the least capping problems and strongest wind profiles.
QUOTE DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0359 AM CDT MON APR 09 2012 VALID 121200Z - 171200Z ...DISCUSSION... MEDIUM RANGE MODELS CONTINUE TO INDICATE A PATTERN CHANGE...WHICH EXPECTED TO START ON D3/WED...WILL PROGRESS THROUGH MUCH OF THE EXTENDED FORECAST PERIOD. THIS WILL RESULT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF SWLY MID-UPPER LEVEL FLOW FROM THE SWRN STATES THROUGH OK AND CENTRAL PLAINS TO THE UPPER MS VALLEY/GREAT LAKES REGION AS A DEEP LONGWAVE TROUGH EVOLVES IN THE WEST. MODELS REMAIN CONSISTENT IN FORECASTING AN INCREASE IN SEVERE WEATHER ACROSS PARTS OF THE SRN AND CENTRAL PLAINS DURING D4/THU THROUGH D6/SAT. SLY LOW LEVEL WINDS TO THE EAST OF A SURFACE LOW DEVELOPING OVER WRN KS WILL RESULT IN RICH MOISTURE RETURN INTO OK/KS ON D4/D5 AND THEN EXTENDING INTO PARTS OF THE MID/UPPER MS VALLEY ON D6. THIS COMBINED WITH ENEWD EXTENSION OF STEEP MIDLEVEL LAPSE RATES WILL RESULT IN MODERATE TO STRONG INSTABILITY DEVELOPING THROUGH D6. SWLY MIDLEVEL WINDS WILL STRENGTHEN FROM MID TO LATE THIS WEEK ACROSS THE REGIONAL SEVERE WEATHER THREAT AREAS SUCH THAT ORGANIZED STORMS INCLUDING SUPERCELLS CAN BE EXPECTED DURING D4...D5...AND D6. THE STRONGEST BULK SHEAR IS EXPECTED ON D6/SAT WITH THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT AREA ALSO EXPANDING SWD SOME INTO N TX AND NEWD INTO SWRN IA. BEYOND D6...THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT MAY CONTINUE ACROSS THE SRN PLAINS...BUT MODEL UNCERTAINTIES PRECLUDE THE INCLUSION OF ANY ADDITIONAL REGIONAL SEVERE WEATHER THREAT AREAS. ..PETERS.. 04/09/2012 This post has been edited by andyhb: Apr 9 2012, 04:10 AM |
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Apr 9 2012, 06:54 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
QUOTE AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK 635 AM CDT MON APR 9 2012 .PREV DISCUSSION... /ISSUED 358 AM CDT MON APR 9 2012/ .DISCUSSION...LIGHT WINDS AND MOIST BOUNDARY LAYER HAS RESULTED IN WIDESPREAD FOG THIS MORNING WITH SOME AREAS OF DENSE FOG. WILL CONTINUE WITH DENSE FOG ADVISORY AS IS THROUGH 10 AM WITH VISIBILITIES EXPECTED TO IMPROVE LATER THIS MORNING. SURFACE LOW EXPECTED TO DEVELOP LATER TODAY IN SOUTHWEST KS WITH DRYLINE EXTENDING ALONG THE WRN BORDER OF OK AND WARM FRONT ARCING SEWD FROM THE LOW ACROSS OK. EXPECT THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT THIS AFTERNOON INITIALLY IN NW OK WITH ACTIVITY INCREASING AND SPREADING SOUTHEASTWARD THROUGH THE LATE AFTERNOON AND EVENING WITH A THREAT OF SEVERE STORMS AS PER SWODY1. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS AGAIN POSSIBLE TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY AS MOISTURE REMAINS POOLED ALONG FRONTAL BOUNDARY DRAPED ACROSS THE AREA. UPPER RIDGE AXIS GRADUALLY MOVES EAST OF THE AREA WITH INCREASING SOUTHWESTERLY MID LEVEL FLOW SPREADING OVER THE SOUTHERN PLAINS AS UPPER TROUGH MOVES INTO THE WESTERN U.S. THIS WILL KEEP MOIST SOUTHERLY LOW LEVEL FLOW ACROSS THE FA WITH A DRYLINE POSITIONED NEAR THE WESTERN BORDER. AS A RESULT THUNDERSTORM CHANCES WILL CONTINUE THROUGH MUCH OF THE WEEK. MORE WIDESPREAD RAIN AND THUNDERSTORMS WITH A THREAT OF SEVERE STORMS AND HEAVY RAIN IS EXPECTED LATER IN THE PERIOD AS UPPER TROUGH SHARPENS AND GRADUALLY ADVANCES EASTWARD WITH A SLOW MOVING FRONTAL BOUNDARY ALSO PUSHING INTO THE AREA. -------------------- |
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Apr 9 2012, 06:55 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
QUOTE AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WICHITA KS 303 AM CDT MON APR 9 2012 THURSDAY-SUNDAY: LONGWAVE UPPER TROUGH WILL BE SLOWLY MOVING THROUGH THE WESTERN STATES DURING THE PERIOD...WITH A STRONG UPPER LOW IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THIS TROUGH. GULF MOISTURE/INSTABILITY WILL BE TRANSPORTED NORTHWARD INTO THE CENTRAL/SOUTHERN PLAINS WITH A CLASSIC WARM SECTOR WITH DRYLINE SETUP. DEEP LAYER WIND SHEAR WILL ALSO INCREASE AS THE UPPER TROUGH APPROACHES THE PLAINS. THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES IN THE MEDIUM RANGE MODELS REGARDING MAINLY SURFACE SYNOPTIC FEATURE PLACEMENT AT TIMES. A FEW EPISODES OF THUNDERSTORMS DURING THE PERIOD APPEAR LIKELY. THE DEGREE OF INSTABILITY/SHEAR SUGGEST HIGH END SEVERE WEATHER WILL BE POSSIBLE. STAY TUNED FOR LATER FORECASTS...AS THE DETAILS WILL BECOME CLEARER OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS. JMC -------------------- |
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Apr 9 2012, 07:27 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
Play the warm front ladies and gentlemen!
QUOTE AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE KANSAS CITY/PLEASANT HILL MO 627 AM CDT Mon Apr 9 2012 Medium Range (Thursday through Sunday)... In general not much change to specifics of going forecast as weather becomes more active late in the week into next weekend. ECMWF coming into good agreement with GFS breaking down the central US ridge and establishing a deep longwave trough across the west. A strengthening low level jet and associated warm air advection coupled with periodic shortwaves ejecting from the trough should provide the threat for shower and thunderstorm activity for the later half of the week into the weekend. A surface warm front is expected to push northward on Saturday and then stall near the Missouri-Iowa border on Sunday in response to an area of low pressure moving out into the northern Plains. With front in the region and longwave trough remaining to the west of the forecast area the threat for thunderstorm activity will linger through at least Sunday. As mentioned in previous mid-range discussion with repeated rounds of thunderstorms through the period the potential for flooding will need to be monitored. MJM -------------------- |
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Apr 9 2012, 07:28 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
QUOTE AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SPRINGFIELD MO 708 AM CDT MON APR 9 2012 AN UPPER LEVEL RIDGE WILL TRANSVERSE ACROSS THE CENTRAL U.S EASTWARD DURING THE MIDDLE AND END OF THE WEEK WHILE A TROUGH DIGS ACROSS THE MOUNTAIN WEST. THIS WILL PUT THE CENTRAL PLAINS AND THE MISSOURI OZARKS IN A SOUTHWEST FLOW BY THE END OF THE WEEK INTO THE WEEKEND. WHILE THERE ARE SOME MODEL DIFFERENCES IN TIMING AND POSITION OF MID LEVEL FEATURES AND EXACT PLACEMENT OF SURFACE LOWS...THE OVERALL MESSAGE IS CONSISTENCE WITH A MORE UNSETTLED AND POTENTIALLY ACTIVE WEATHER PATTERN FOR THE AREA BY NEXT WEEKEND. EXPECTING TO SEE SEVERAL ROUNDS OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS AHEAD OF IMPULSES MOVING OUT FROM THE SOUTHWEST FLOW. IT APPEARS MOST OF THE POTENTIAL FOR SEVERE STORMS WILL BE JUST TO OUR WEST ACROSS KANSAS BUT WILL WATCH MODEL TRENDS FOR A BETTER HANDLE OF THIS SETUP LATER THIS WEEK. THERE COULD BE SOME POTENTIAL FOR SOME STRONG TO SEVERE STORMS OF PORTIONS OF OUR AREA BY NEXT WEEKEND. TEMPERATURES WILL ALSO BE WARMING UP TO SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE BY THE END OF THIS WEEK. GRIFFIN -------------------- |
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Apr 9 2012, 07:37 AM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
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Apr 9 2012, 11:10 AM
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![]() Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,579 Joined: 8-December 10 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 24,572 |
-------------------- Severe T watch Watches: 1
Severe T watch Warnings: 1 Tornado watches: Tornado warnings: |
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Apr 9 2012, 12:32 PM
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Rank: Tornado ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 198 Joined: 22-October 11 Member No.: 26,121 |
12z GFS is, for lack of a better word, disgusting.
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Apr 9 2012, 03:59 PM
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![]() Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 2,343 Joined: 5-February 08 From: Northern Massachusetts Member No.: 13,447 |
Dr. Greg Forbes's thoughts:
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Numerical models begin to disagree, with both having a surface low move toward Lake Superior, but the GFS having another strong low over KS that would make a large difference for the severe thunderstorm forecast. Thus, confidence is reduced in the details that follow. Severe thunderstorms in IA, southeast NE, east KS, central and east OK, northeast and north-central TX. -------------------- June 7th-My First Tornado.
Formerly msweather! QUOTE Well I don't quite trust the... *Never Accurate Model (NAM) or *Even Crazier Model With Foolishness. (ECMWF) (J/K) Members I love: 1:Joe/Chicago Storm ----->The one with the most posts...he's great! 2:MissMarisia:She's a great mod! 3:Jesse/WeatherMatrix:Great Moderater and blogger. If you don't mind voting for me.... |
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Apr 9 2012, 04:20 PM
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![]() Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 2,343 Joined: 5-February 08 From: Northern Massachusetts Member No.: 13,447 |
LOT is discussing possible severe weather Sunday in their AFD, but model differences make it difficult.
QUOTE EXTENDED...THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY
A TRANSITION TO A MILDER AND MORE ACTIVE WEATHER PATTERN IS NOTED FOR THE END OF THE WEEK AND THE WEEKEND...THOUGH MODEL UNCERTAINTY DOES INCREASE WITH TIMING AND DETAILS DURING THE PERIOD. UPPER TROUGH ACROSS EASTERN NORTH AMERICA IS MOVING OFF TO THE EAST BY THURSDAY NIGHT...WITH SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE DRIFTING OFF ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES TO OUR EAST. FARTHER WEST...BROAD UPPER TROUGH IS DEPICTED OVER MUCH OF THE WESTERN CONUS WITH SURFACE PRESSURE FALLS DEVELOPING ACROSS THE PLAINS IN RESPONSE TO UPPER JET STREAK THAT EJECTS FROM THE DESERT SOUTHWEST. THIS RESULTS IN DEVELOPMENT OF SOUTHEAST LOW LEVEL FLOW ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA... WITH LOW LEVEL WARM ADVECTION DEVELOPING PARTICULARLY WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY. ECMWF AND GEM ARE A LITTLE SLOWER THAN OUR DOMESTIC MODELS WITH THE EASTWARD PROGRESSION OF THE UPPER RIDGE AXIS AND THIS IS PREFERRED GIVEN HIGH AMPLITUDE OF THE PATTERN. DRY LOW LEVEL AIR ASSOCIATED WITH RETREATING SURFACE HIGH SHOULD HELP TO KEEP WARM ADVECTION PRECIPITATION AT BAY AS WELL...ESPECIALLY IN THE EASTERN PARTS OF THE CWA AND HAVE THUS TRIMMED POPS THERE ALONG THE LINES OF THE GEM WHICH IS BETWEEN THE DRY ECMWF AND MORE MOIST GFS IN TERMS OF PRECIP COVERAGE BY FRIDAY MORNING. PRECIPITATION CHANCES INCREASE FRIDAY AS UPPER RIDGE MOVES EAST AND UPPER JET STREAK CONTINUES TO SPREAD NORTHEAST INTO THE MIDWEST. GUIDANCE DIFFERS WITH DEGREE OF SURFACE LOW DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE PLAINS AND UPPER MIDWEST...THOUGH WEAK WAVE AND WARM FRONT SHOULD DEVELOP INTO IOWA/MINNESOTA BY FRIDAY NIGHT PER GEM SOLUTION. THIS WOULD SUPPORT SOLID CHANCE POPS WITH A FEW PERIODS OF ELEVATED SHOWERS/THUNDERSTORMS POSSIBLE INTO SATURDAY...AS WARM FRONT LIFTS NORTH ACROSS THE CWA. SECOND/STRONGER UPPER WAVE LIFTS OUT ACROSS THE REGION SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY...MAINTAINING SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM THREAT THROUGH THE WEEKEND. BY SUNDAY...SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES ARE EVIDENT IN EVOLUTION OF DETAILS OF SURFACE PATTERN AND TIMING OF COLD FRONTAL PASSAGE. GFS IS STRONGER/MORE CLOSED WITH A STRONGER SURFACE LOW REFLECTION WITH THE INITIAL WAVE FROM FRIDAY NIGHT/SATURDAY...WHICH RESULTS IN SECOND LOW TAKING A MORE EAST/SOUTH TRACK ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA EARLY SUNDAY. ECMWF...WITH A WEAKER SURFACE REFLECTION OF THE INITIAL SHORT WAVE...HOLDS THE SECOND LOW OFF TO OUR NORTH/NORTHWEST ON SUNDAY...WITH A LATER COLD FROPA SUNDAY AFTERNOON. CONTINUE TO PREFER A MORE ECMWF-LIKE SOLUTION...RESULTING IN WARMER TEMPS DURING THE DAY SUNDAY...AND A POTENTIALLY GREATER THREAT OF SEVERE WEATHER LOCALLY. WIDE-OPEN FLOW OFF THE GULF OF MEXICO ALSO SUGGESTS SOME POTENTIALLY FOR LOCALLY HEAVY CONVECTIVE RAINFALL DURING THE SATURDAY-SUNDAY PERIOD...WITH 12Z GEFS INDICATING PRECIPITABLE WATER VALUES RUNNING 2-3 STANDARD DEVIATIONS ABOVE CLIMO. FRONT SAGS SOUTH OF THE AREA SUNDAY NIGHT INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK...KEEPING AN OVERRUNNING PRECIP THREAT POTENTIALLY CLOSE WHILE COOLER/STABLE SURFACE AIR PREVAILS ACROSS THE CWA IN NORTHERLY LOW LEVEL FLOW. RATZER -------------------- June 7th-My First Tornado.
Formerly msweather! QUOTE Well I don't quite trust the... *Never Accurate Model (NAM) or *Even Crazier Model With Foolishness. (ECMWF) (J/K) Members I love: 1:Joe/Chicago Storm ----->The one with the most posts...he's great! 2:MissMarisia:She's a great mod! 3:Jesse/WeatherMatrix:Great Moderater and blogger. If you don't mind voting for me.... |
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Apr 9 2012, 04:26 PM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
QUOTE AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ST LOUIS MO 255 PM CDT MON APR 9 2012 THE PATTERN CHANGE ALLUDED TO OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS COMMENCES ON THURSDAY AND THURSDAY NIGHT AS THE ERN U.S. UPPER TROF PROGRESSES INTO THE WESTERN ATLANTIC AND THE UPPER RIDGE AXIS SLIDES ACROSS THE CWA. THE SPEED AT WHICH THIS RIDGE AXIS SLIDES TO THE EAST WILL LARGELY DICTATE THE ONSET OF PRECIPITATION CHANCES. IN GENERAL THE TREND IS SLOWER...ALBEIT THE NAM AND CMC GEM ARE A LITTLE FASTER AND HENCE THE AFTERNOON POPS IN NE AND CENTRAL MO. THEREAFTER A DEEP TROF TAKES SHAPE OVER THE WESTERN CONUS WITH SW FLOW ALOFT THROUGH THE MS VALLEY AND A PERIOD OF UNSETTLED WEATHER WITH BOUTS OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY. GLASS -------------------- |
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Apr 9 2012, 04:28 PM
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Rank: F5 Superstorm ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: SuperModerator Posts: 31,409 Joined: 26-March 08 From: Columbia, MO Member No.: 14,521 |
QUOTE AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE QUAD CITIES IA IL 316 PM CDT MON APR 9 2012 THU NIGHT THROUGH MON...150KT JET DIVING INTO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE LARGE UPPER LOW OFF THE PACIFIC NW IS SHOWN PLOWING INTO THE SW U.S...SENDING THE UPPER RIDGE EASTWARD. THIS RESULTS IN A DEVELOPING SW FLOW OVER THE CENTRAL U.S...AN OPEN FLOW OF GULF MOISTURE...AND AN ACTIVE WEATHER PATTERN FOR THE LOCAL AREA. MODELS CONTINUE TO VARY IN THE DETAILS AND TIMING OF THE LEAD ENERGY AND SURFACE LOW TRACK...WITH THE GFS A NOTABLE OUTLIER WITH A FASTER INITIAL LOW IN THE 12Z RUN THAT LIFTS ACROSS THE UPPER MS VALLEY FRI NIGHT INTO SAT. IN THIS UNSETTLED PATTERN WITH LOW CONFIDENCE IN DETAILS...WILL KEEP CHANCES FOR SHOWERS AND AT LEAST ISOLATES THUNDERSTORMS GOING FROM THU NIGHT THROUGH EARLY MONDAY. MODELS DO CONTINUE TO TARGET THE SATURDAY NIGHT PERIOD FOR RAIN CHANCES AND POPS HAVE BEEN INCREASED TO LIKELY OVER PART OF THE AREA. TEMPERATURES SHOULD RETURN TO THE 60S TO LOWER 70S FOR HIGHS...WHILE HIGHER DEWPOINTS AND POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT CLOUD COVER HOLDS OVERNIGHT LOWS IN THE 50S. SHEETS -------------------- |
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